Re: [WebDNA] a major shift in strategy?
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texte = Building an instant standalone version would need a "universal" version, running from all and every single platform. Sounds like writing a JAVA version of WebDNA, and it seems difficult to me... - chris On Oct 10, 2008, at 8:06, Colin Sidwell wrote: > Hi, > > I think you're talking a lot of sense, for WebDNA to have a long > term future, it > needs to reach a much wider audience. > > One of the things that is obstacle to new users trying WebDNA as a > scripting > language is that it you have to install it on a webserver to try it, > the > previous suggestion of having a bootable CD is good but you'd be > distributing > the OS at the same time which might have legal problems and it's not > instant, > you'd have to wait to receive your CD. > > From the few small Mac apps that I've written I can tell you that > just a web > form will deter about 50% of users from downloading a trial version. > Filling in > a form to receive a cd in the post would deter them further, > everything has to > be instant now if you want to make money. > > Why not have a standalone version that can be downloaded? It could > serve pages > on a port like 8080 and could be used for writing your own > applications that ran > in a web browser. > > Webmasters who liked it might then go to the trouble of installing > it on a > server and the rest of us could use it to develop code locally > before making it > live. > > Regards, > > Colin Sidwell > > Worcester UK > > Olin Lagon wrote: >> Aloha all, I love WebDNA. Why? Creating, managing, extending, >> modifying, >> searching and editing databases is about as easy as it gets. It's >> so easy >> that most projects can do just fine without any database >> administrator. It's >> not the scripting language. The scripting language is decent but >> definitely >> not as feature rich or community supported as other options. I >> don't think I >> am alone. I think there are tons of developers that are interested >> in using >> something even easier than mysql than there are developers that >> will switch >> to a relatively obscure language. Plus competing with the open source >> alternatives is near suicide. Every day you'll see cool stuff about >> the >> other langs. For instance, host a 5 million hits per day site for >> free in >> Google's cloud with the potential to scale your app to any size >> (python for >> now with other langs to follow); handle 25,000 connections at any >> given time >> with only 256 threads (resin running php/java); etc. >> >> So, anyone got thoughts on the following strategy: >> >> 1. The pitch could be to dump your database admin. Not needed. Save >> the >> $100K+ per year for trips to Hawaii for the rest of the team. The >> system >> empowers developers with virtually no database skills to get up to >> speed >> pretty quickly. >> >> 2. Have a web based interface to completely manage databases that >> blows >> phpmyadmin way out of the water. The interface should also have a >> query >> builder so folks getting started and build queries visually. This >> tool >> creates, manages, edits, deletes, merges, etc. databases. Have a >> sandbox >> folks can play with online. >> >> 3. Create a version of the software that essentially runs the >> dbserver and >> is callable via common languages (php, python, java, ruby, .net, >> etc.) in >> ways that is much easier than traditional calls to a sql based >> server. Who >> cares if they buy the system for the db and not use the rest of the >> scripting language! >> >> This strategy essentially positions webdna as an alternative, a >> simple easy >> to use alternative, to mysql. The market potential is then massive. >> Marketing could have fun with the PC v Mac parodies (mysql v webdna). >> >> I am not confident continuing on the path of making webdna better >> could >> result in marketplace success. Fixing bugs and adding features >> supports the >> small group still using the product and in my opinion without >> marketing >> genius and more lady luck than most of us have ever been graced >> with, the >> masses will not come over. However, who wouldn't want to try out a >> scrappy >> piece of software that promises to empower the developers to >> wrestle the db >> themselves! >> >> Oh, one last thought. You should be able to get a team together using >> odesk.com pretty quickly. I've used a few contractors found on the >> site that >> had tons of experience with ANSI C code. >> >> I'm happy to write/help write a completely modern db admin. >> >> Laters, Olin >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list
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Building an instant standalone version would need a "universal" version, running from all and every single platform. Sounds like writing a JAVA version of WebDNA, and it seems difficult to me... - chris On Oct 10, 2008, at 8:06, Colin Sidwell wrote: > Hi, > > I think you're talking a lot of sense, for WebDNA to have a long > term future, it > needs to reach a much wider audience. > > One of the things that is obstacle to new users trying WebDNA as a > scripting > language is that it you have to install it on a webserver to try it, > the > previous suggestion of having a bootable CD is good but you'd be > distributing > the OS at the same time which might have legal problems and it's not > instant, > you'd have to wait to receive your CD. > > From the few small Mac apps that I've written I can tell you that > just a web > form will deter about 50% of users from downloading a trial version. > Filling in > a form to receive a cd in the post would deter them further, > everything has to > be instant now if you want to make money. > > Why not have a standalone version that can be downloaded? It could > serve pages > on a port like 8080 and could be used for writing your own > applications that ran > in a web browser. > > Webmasters who liked it might then go to the trouble of installing > it on a > server and the rest of us could use it to develop code locally > before making it > live. > > Regards, > > Colin Sidwell > > Worcester UK > > Olin Lagon wrote: >> Aloha all, I love WebDNA. Why? Creating, managing, extending, >> modifying, >> searching and editing databases is about as easy as it gets. It's >> so easy >> that most projects can do just fine without any database >> administrator. It's >> not the scripting language. The scripting language is decent but >> definitely >> not as feature rich or community supported as other options. I >> don't think I >> am alone. I think there are tons of developers that are interested >> in using >> something even easier than mysql than there are developers that >> will switch >> to a relatively obscure language. Plus competing with the open source >> alternatives is near suicide. Every day you'll see cool stuff about >> the >> other langs. For instance, host a 5 million hits per day site for >> free in >> Google's cloud with the potential to scale your app to any size >> (python for >> now with other langs to follow); handle 25,000 connections at any >> given time >> with only 256 threads (resin running php/java); etc. >> >> So, anyone got thoughts on the following strategy: >> >> 1. The pitch could be to dump your database admin. Not needed. Save >> the >> $100K+ per year for trips to Hawaii for the rest of the team. The >> system >> empowers developers with virtually no database skills to get up to >> speed >> pretty quickly. >> >> 2. Have a web based interface to completely manage databases that >> blows >> phpmyadmin way out of the water. The interface should also have a >> query >> builder so folks getting started and build queries visually. This >> tool >> creates, manages, edits, deletes, merges, etc. databases. Have a >> sandbox >> folks can play with online. >> >> 3. Create a version of the software that essentially runs the >> dbserver and >> is callable via common languages (php, python, java, ruby, .net, >> etc.) in >> ways that is much easier than traditional calls to a sql based >> server. Who >> cares if they buy the system for the db and not use the rest of the >> scripting language! >> >> This strategy essentially positions webdna as an alternative, a >> simple easy >> to use alternative, to mysql. The market potential is then massive. >> Marketing could have fun with the PC v Mac parodies (mysql v webdna). >> >> I am not confident continuing on the path of making webdna better >> could >> result in marketplace success. Fixing bugs and adding features >> supports the >> small group still using the product and in my opinion without >> marketing >> genius and more lady luck than most of us have ever been graced >> with, the >> masses will not come over. However, who wouldn't want to try out a >> scrappy >> piece of software that promises to empower the developers to >> wrestle the db >> themselves! >> >> Oh, one last thought. You should be able to get a team together using >> odesk.com pretty quickly. I've used a few contractors found on the >> site that >> had tons of experience with ANSI C code. >> >> I'm happy to write/help write a completely modern db admin. >> >> Laters, Olin >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >> > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/
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