Re: [WebDNA] a major shift in strategy?

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texte = I go along with the idea of a cgi version. Being able to put a WebDNA site on any server would be a big coup. How many have had a conversation that went something like this... potential client: So how much does does it cost? you: Well, it depends on how much you want in your site, but at the very least, the hosting will be about $200/year pc: Oh. I'm not paying anything where I am now, so we can just use my host. you: Oh. Um, but my sites need to be hosted on a special server. pc: Oh. Well, let me think about it. (code for "never mind.") or: pc: We just need this thing on the whatsit page; the rest of the site we'll just keep the way it is. you: Okay, but we'll need to move everything to my special server. pc: Oh? I'll still be able to FTP in and dink around though, right? you: [squirm] Well..., not exactly.... pc: Oh. Well, let me think about it. (code for "never mind.") Terry >> What do you mean by a universal CGI version? Do you mean >> one piece of software that runs on any computer platform? > >No, what I mean is to compile a WebDNA version for each >major OS ... > >Right now WSC has (I think) 4 different versions of WebDNA, >each specific to only one platform -- and by platform I >mean not only a specific version of the OS but also a >specific version of the HTTP server. Change either one and >WebDNA (probably) won't run any more. > >But consider this: > >If only *one* version of WebDNA were compiled as a CGI for >each major platform, it would run on many different >versions of its own OS, and be compatible with virtually >all HTTP servers developed for the same OS. > >In other words, a single "CGI" version compiled to run under >Linux (for example) should run under almost *any* >combination of Linux HTTP servers and Linux OS >flavors/versions that you can put together! > >:) > >There is also CGI vs. FastCGI to consider ... > >CGI is ubiquitous -- it is everywhere -- so for ultimate >compatibility CGI is best. But CGI is slower than FastCGI >and more and more HTTP servers are fully compatible with >FastCGI today, so does FastCGI make more sense for WebDNA? > >----------------------------------------- > >The bottom line is that every additional version of WebDNA >costs more time and money to develop and support, so a >small company like WSC might be wise to eliminate as many >different versions as possible. CGI or FastCGI seems to be >the most practical way to make this possible. > >Sincerely, >Ken Grome > > > > > > >> Ken, >> >> What do you mean by a universal CGI version? Do you mean >> one piece of software that runs on any computer platform? >> >> I have only seen the term "Universal CGI" used where a >> script, typically Perl, can be installed on any platform. >> >> WebDNA is much different that a script. It is compiled >> and runs as an application. To the best of my knowledge, >> no one has ever made a single, compiled application that >> runs, for example, on both Windows and Mac OSX. Unless >> there is something I don't know about, I don't think >> there is any such thing as a Universal application. >--------------------------------------------------------- >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >the mailing list . >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ -- Terry Wilson | terry@terryfic.com | http://terryfic.com http://WhosComing.com - a simplified, affordable online reservation system http://TightJacket.com -- stylish protection for your laptop -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Attitude is the only difference between ordeal and adventure. Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

    
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  10. RE: [WebDNA] a major shift in strategy? ("Olin Lagon" 2008)
  11. Re: [WebDNA] a major shift in strategy? (christophe.billiottet@webdna.us 2008)
  12. Re: [WebDNA] a major shift in strategy? (Kenneth Grome 2008)
  13. Re: [WebDNA] a major shift in strategy? (Stuart Tremain 2008)
  14. RE: [WebDNA] a major shift in strategy? ("Meyers, David E." 2008)
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  16. Re: [WebDNA] a major shift in strategy? (Terry Wilson 2008)
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  18. Re: [WebDNA] a major shift in strategy? (Kenneth Grome 2008)
  19. Re: [WebDNA] a major shift in strategy? (Kenneth Grome 2008)
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  23. Re: [WebDNA] a major shift in strategy? (Bob Minor 2008)
  24. Re: [WebDNA] a major shift in strategy? (Terry Wilson 2008)
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I go along with the idea of a cgi version. Being able to put a WebDNA site on any server would be a big coup. How many have had a conversation that went something like this... potential client: So how much does does it cost? you: Well, it depends on how much you want in your site, but at the very least, the hosting will be about $200/year pc: Oh. I'm not paying anything where I am now, so we can just use my host. you: Oh. Um, but my sites need to be hosted on a special server. pc: Oh. Well, let me think about it. (code for "never mind.") or: pc: We just need this thing on the whatsit page; the rest of the site we'll just keep the way it is. you: Okay, but we'll need to move everything to my special server. pc: Oh? I'll still be able to FTP in and dink around though, right? you: [squirm] Well..., not exactly.... pc: Oh. Well, let me think about it. (code for "never mind.") Terry >> What do you mean by a universal CGI version? Do you mean >> one piece of software that runs on any computer platform? > >No, what I mean is to compile a WebDNA version for each >major OS ... > >Right now WSC has (I think) 4 different versions of WebDNA, >each specific to only one platform -- and by platform I >mean not only a specific version of the OS but also a >specific version of the HTTP server. Change either one and >WebDNA (probably) won't run any more. > >But consider this: > >If only *one* version of WebDNA were compiled as a CGI for >each major platform, it would run on many different >versions of its own OS, and be compatible with virtually >all HTTP servers developed for the same OS. > >In other words, a single "CGI" version compiled to run under >Linux (for example) should run under almost *any* >combination of Linux HTTP servers and Linux OS >flavors/versions that you can put together! > >:) > >There is also CGI vs. FastCGI to consider ... > >CGI is ubiquitous -- it is everywhere -- so for ultimate >compatibility CGI is best. But CGI is slower than FastCGI >and more and more HTTP servers are fully compatible with >FastCGI today, so does FastCGI make more sense for WebDNA? > >----------------------------------------- > >The bottom line is that every additional version of WebDNA >costs more time and money to develop and support, so a >small company like WSC might be wise to eliminate as many >different versions as possible. CGI or FastCGI seems to be >the most practical way to make this possible. > >Sincerely, >Ken Grome > > > > > > >> Ken, >> >> What do you mean by a universal CGI version? Do you mean >> one piece of software that runs on any computer platform? >> >> I have only seen the term "Universal CGI" used where a >> script, typically Perl, can be installed on any platform. >> >> WebDNA is much different that a script. It is compiled >> and runs as an application. To the best of my knowledge, >> no one has ever made a single, compiled application that >> runs, for example, on both Windows and Mac OSX. Unless >> there is something I don't know about, I don't think >> there is any such thing as a Universal application. >--------------------------------------------------------- >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >the mailing list . >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ -- Terry Wilson | terry@terryfic.com | http://terryfic.com http://WhosComing.com - a simplified, affordable online reservation system http://TightJacket.com -- stylish protection for your laptop -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Attitude is the only difference between ordeal and adventure. Terry Wilson

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