Re: [WebDNA] a major shift in strategy?
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2008
It keeps the original formatting.
numero = 101133
interpreted = N
texte = Bob Minor wrote: > Yes, that argument is definitely not debunked. PHP is free, there are > tons of programmers doing it, tons of books on how to do it, LOTS and > LOTS of solutions and the community is as robust as any. You can get > free frameworks that make development organized and easy. This will be > a major hurdle for webdna. As I said earlier the ease of use, or use by > designers etc is a better angle. C++, Javascript Java programmers will > find working with php a snap. In fact when I show them webdna, they > attack its language structure right out of the gate, they talk about > how it is too linear and not very object oriented. > > That said I still use it because of its ease of use, I know it and I > already own several copies. We started going to PHP when it looked like > WebDNA was going to die. Now some of those projects conversions are > being staved off while we wait to see how the project goes. In my mind > 2 things need to happen right off. Updates for stability and for use on > the latest hardware and systems. ie Leopard and Windows 7,20008 centos > or whetever else they want to call it. Also running on 64bit is comes > next. After that better myysql and new features can be delt with. This > seems extremely clear. > > Good Luck to the developers > On Oct 13, 2008, at 12:39 AM, Kenneth Grome wrote: My point of the "PHP is free" argument being nullified was posed for a solution like ours having no cost, vs a solution like ours having little cost. I think I've already addressed our intentions for the other issues (compatibility, bug fixes, recognition, available solutions etc..) many times on this list... hell, we've extended a call to the list to help with some of these things... so Ken must have bat guano in his eyes or something ;-)... I agree with you on many of those aspects Bob... but how many times does it need repeating that we know these things and that we are working on it? Does it do us any good as a community to wallow in the mire? Upfront Cost vs Running Cost: I ran a glass blowing shop for a while. A glass furnace can cost a couple thousand or it can cost many thousands. Some people opt to take the minimal cost. Well, these furnaces don't usually hold heat well. What happens to these people who try to "count pennies" on the initial purchase is they get the first $1000 monthly utility bill and quickly realize that any money they saved on the initial cost is just a small drop in the bucket. Whether the product is free or whether it costs a little bit, I personally don't see the difference... and this opinion has nothing to do with me personally being invested into WebDNA. I don't care if you like coding PHP, or you like coding WebDNA.. the more significant cost of both is the running costs.. Donovan -- Donovan D. Brooke PH/FAX: 1 (608) 291-2024 ---------------------------------------------- VP WebDNA Software Corporation 16192 Coastal Highway Lewes, DE 19958
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Bob Minor wrote: > Yes, that argument is definitely not debunked. PHP is free, there are > tons of programmers doing it, tons of books on how to do it, LOTS and > LOTS of solutions and the community is as robust as any. You can get > free frameworks that make development organized and easy. This will be > a major hurdle for webdna. As I said earlier the ease of use, or use by > designers etc is a better angle. C++, Javascript Java programmers will > find working with php a snap. In fact when I show them webdna, they > attack its language structure right out of the gate, they talk about > how it is too linear and not very object oriented. > > That said I still use it because of its ease of use, I know it and I > already own several copies. We started going to PHP when it looked like > WebDNA was going to die. Now some of those projects conversions are > being staved off while we wait to see how the project goes. In my mind > 2 things need to happen right off. Updates for stability and for use on > the latest hardware and systems. ie Leopard and Windows 7,20008 centos > or whetever else they want to call it. Also running on 64bit is comes > next. After that better myysql and new features can be delt with. This > seems extremely clear. > > Good Luck to the developers > On Oct 13, 2008, at 12:39 AM, Kenneth Grome wrote: My point of the "PHP is free" argument being nullified was posed for a solution like ours having no cost, vs a solution like ours having little cost. I think I've already addressed our intentions for the other issues (compatibility, bug fixes, recognition, available solutions etc..) many times on this list... hell, we've extended a call to the list to help with some of these things... so Ken must have bat guano in his eyes or something ;-)... I agree with you on many of those aspects Bob... but how many times does it need repeating that we know these things and that we are working on it? Does it do us any good as a community to wallow in the mire? Upfront Cost vs Running Cost: I ran a glass blowing shop for a while. A glass furnace can cost a couple thousand or it can cost many thousands. Some people opt to take the minimal cost. Well, these furnaces don't usually hold heat well. What happens to these people who try to "count pennies" on the initial purchase is they get the first $1000 monthly utility bill and quickly realize that any money they saved on the initial cost is just a small drop in the bucket. Whether the product is free or whether it costs a little bit, I personally don't see the difference... and this opinion has nothing to do with me personally being invested into WebDNA. I don't care if you like coding PHP, or you like coding WebDNA.. the more significant cost of both is the running costs.. Donovan -- Donovan D. Brooke PH/FAX: 1 (608) 291-2024 ---------------------------------------------- VP WebDNA Software Corporation 16192 Coastal Highway Lewes, DE 19958
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