Re: [WebDNA] a major shift in strategy?
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texte = For me it's more like this: potential client: And for this one time flat programming fee you program the design and program the website, and I get the shopping cart and CMS? me: Yes, but there is a yearly hosting charge of $504.70. pc: Oh, but i'm not paying anything where I am now, so we can just use my host. me: No you can't. We have the shopping cart software installed on our server, and our CMS won't work on someone else's server. pc: Oh, but can I have FTP access to change the site. me: Sure, but you really won't need to use the FTP because you have a CMS. But if you do FTP into the site just know that the entire CMS and shopping cart are encrypted so make sure you do not touch those files or we will charge you to fix it. pc: But $504 is a lot of money every year. me: We also give you free anti-virus filtering and free spam filtering, off-site backups, and 24/7 live monitoring. ps: Okay where do I sign up. The point it that you all need to figure out the correct way to spin your services. Due to licensing costs I've never been able to win in a price war, but when it comes to point to point fight over actual services I win all the time. Some of my clients even pay as much as $3600 per year for hosting because of their specific needs. Matthew A Perosi JewelerWebsites.com ------------------------------by Psi Prime------- Senior Web Developer 323 Union Blvd. Totowa, NJ 07512 Pre-Sales: 888.872.0274 Service: 973.413.8213 Training: 973.413.8214 Fax: 973.413.8217 http://www.jewelerwebsites.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psi_Prime%2C_Inc http://www.psiprime.com Terry Wilson wrote: > I go along with the idea of a cgi version. Being able to put a WebDNA > site on any server would be a big coup. How many have had a > conversation that went something like this... > > potential client: So how much does does it cost? > you: Well, it depends on how much you want in your site, but at the > very least, the hosting will be about $200/year > pc: Oh. I'm not paying anything where I am now, so we can just use my > host. > you: Oh. Um, but my sites need to be hosted on a special server. > pc: Oh. Well, let me think about it. (code for "never mind.") > > or: > > pc: We just need this thing on the whatsit page; the rest of the site > we'll just keep the way it is. > you: Okay, but we'll need to move everything to my special server. > pc: Oh? I'll still be able to FTP in and dink around though, right? > you: [squirm] Well..., not exactly.... > pc: Oh. Well, let me think about it. (code for "never mind.") > > Terry > > >>> What do you mean by a universal CGI version? Do you mean >>> one piece of software that runs on any computer platform? >> >> No, what I mean is to compile a WebDNA version for each >> major OS ... >> >> Right now WSC has (I think) 4 different versions of WebDNA, >> each specific to only one platform -- and by platform I >> mean not only a specific version of the OS but also a >> specific version of the HTTP server. Change either one and >> WebDNA (probably) won't run any more. >> >> But consider this: >> >> If only *one* version of WebDNA were compiled as a CGI for >> each major platform, it would run on many different >> versions of its own OS, and be compatible with virtually >> all HTTP servers developed for the same OS. >> >> In other words, a single "CGI" version compiled to run under >> Linux (for example) should run under almost *any* >> combination of Linux HTTP servers and Linux OS >> flavors/versions that you can put together! >> >> :) >> >> There is also CGI vs. FastCGI to consider ... >> >> CGI is ubiquitous -- it is everywhere -- so for ultimate >> compatibility CGI is best. But CGI is slower than FastCGI >> and more and more HTTP servers are fully compatible with >> FastCGI today, so does FastCGI make more sense for WebDNA? >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> The bottom line is that every additional version of WebDNA >> costs more time and money to develop and support, so a >> small company like WSC might be wise to eliminate as many >> different versions as possible. CGI or FastCGI seems to be >> the most practical way to make this possible. >> >> Sincerely, >> Ken Grome >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Ken, >>> >>> What do you mean by a universal CGI version? Do you mean >>> one piece of software that runs on any computer platform? >>> >>> I have only seen the term "Universal CGI" used where a >>> script, typically Perl, can be installed on any platform. >>> >>> WebDNA is much different that a script. It is compiled >>> and runs as an application. To the best of my knowledge, >>> no one has ever made a single, compiled application that >>> runs, for example, on both Windows and Mac OSX. Unless >>> there is something I don't know about, I don't think >>> there is any such thing as a Universal application. >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list
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For me it's more like this: potential client: And for this one time flat programming fee you program the design and program the website, and I get the shopping cart and CMS? me: Yes, but there is a yearly hosting charge of $504.70. pc: Oh, but i'm not paying anything where I am now, so we can just use my host. me: No you can't. We have the shopping cart software installed on our server, and our CMS won't work on someone else's server. pc: Oh, but can I have FTP access to change the site. me: Sure, but you really won't need to use the FTP because you have a CMS. But if you do FTP into the site just know that the entire CMS and shopping cart are encrypted so make sure you do not touch those files or we will charge you to fix it. pc: But $504 is a lot of money every year. me: We also give you free anti-virus filtering and free spam filtering, off-site backups, and 24/7 live monitoring. ps: Okay where do I sign up. The point it that you all need to figure out the correct way to spin your services. Due to licensing costs I've never been able to win in a price war, but when it comes to point to point fight over actual services I win all the time. Some of my clients even pay as much as $3600 per year for hosting because of their specific needs. Matthew A Perosi JewelerWebsites.com ------------------------------by Psi Prime------- Senior Web Developer 323 Union Blvd. Totowa, NJ 07512 Pre-Sales: 888.872.0274 Service: 973.413.8213 Training: 973.413.8214 Fax: 973.413.8217 http://www.jewelerwebsites.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psi_Prime%2C_Inc http://www.psiprime.com Terry Wilson wrote: > I go along with the idea of a cgi version. Being able to put a WebDNA > site on any server would be a big coup. How many have had a > conversation that went something like this... > > potential client: So how much does does it cost? > you: Well, it depends on how much you want in your site, but at the > very least, the hosting will be about $200/year > pc: Oh. I'm not paying anything where I am now, so we can just use my > host. > you: Oh. Um, but my sites need to be hosted on a special server. > pc: Oh. Well, let me think about it. (code for "never mind.") > > or: > > pc: We just need this thing on the whatsit page; the rest of the site > we'll just keep the way it is. > you: Okay, but we'll need to move everything to my special server. > pc: Oh? I'll still be able to FTP in and dink around though, right? > you: [squirm] Well..., not exactly.... > pc: Oh. Well, let me think about it. (code for "never mind.") > > Terry > > >>> What do you mean by a universal CGI version? Do you mean >>> one piece of software that runs on any computer platform? >> >> No, what I mean is to compile a WebDNA version for each >> major OS ... >> >> Right now WSC has (I think) 4 different versions of WebDNA, >> each specific to only one platform -- and by platform I >> mean not only a specific version of the OS but also a >> specific version of the HTTP server. Change either one and >> WebDNA (probably) won't run any more. >> >> But consider this: >> >> If only *one* version of WebDNA were compiled as a CGI for >> each major platform, it would run on many different >> versions of its own OS, and be compatible with virtually >> all HTTP servers developed for the same OS. >> >> In other words, a single "CGI" version compiled to run under >> Linux (for example) should run under almost *any* >> combination of Linux HTTP servers and Linux OS >> flavors/versions that you can put together! >> >> :) >> >> There is also CGI vs. FastCGI to consider ... >> >> CGI is ubiquitous -- it is everywhere -- so for ultimate >> compatibility CGI is best. But CGI is slower than FastCGI >> and more and more HTTP servers are fully compatible with >> FastCGI today, so does FastCGI make more sense for WebDNA? >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> The bottom line is that every additional version of WebDNA >> costs more time and money to develop and support, so a >> small company like WSC might be wise to eliminate as many >> different versions as possible. CGI or FastCGI seems to be >> the most practical way to make this possible. >> >> Sincerely, >> Ken Grome >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Ken, >>> >>> What do you mean by a universal CGI version? Do you mean >>> one piece of software that runs on any computer platform? >>> >>> I have only seen the term "Universal CGI" used where a >>> script, typically Perl, can be installed on any platform. >>> >>> WebDNA is much different that a script. It is compiled >>> and runs as an application. To the best of my knowledge, >>> no one has ever made a single, compiled application that >>> runs, for example, on both Windows and Mac OSX. Unless >>> there is something I don't know about, I don't think >>> there is any such thing as a Universal application. >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >
"Psi Prime, Matthew A Perosi "
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