Re: [WebDNA] a major shift in strategy?
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texte = Interesting article I grabbed from slashdot.org http://weblog.infoworld.com/archives/emailPrint.jsp?R=printThis&A=/article/08/10/13/42TC-dynamic-futures_1.html On Oct 13, 2008, at 4:56 PM, Terry Wilson wrote: > I go along with the idea of a cgi version. Being able to put a > WebDNA site on any server would be a big coup. How many have had a > conversation that went something like this... > > potential client: So how much does does it cost? > you: Well, it depends on how much you want in your site, but at the > very least, the hosting will be about $200/year > pc: Oh. I'm not paying anything where I am now, so we can just use > my host. > you: Oh. Um, but my sites need to be hosted on a special server. > pc: Oh. Well, let me think about it. (code for "never mind.") > > or: > > pc: We just need this thing on the whatsit page; the rest of the > site we'll just keep the way it is. > you: Okay, but we'll need to move everything to my special server. > pc: Oh? I'll still be able to FTP in and dink around though, right? > you: [squirm] Well..., not exactly.... > pc: Oh. Well, let me think about it. (code for "never mind.") > > Terry > > >>> What do you mean by a universal CGI version? Do you mean >>> one piece of software that runs on any computer platform? >> >> No, what I mean is to compile a WebDNA version for each >> major OS ... >> >> Right now WSC has (I think) 4 different versions of WebDNA, >> each specific to only one platform -- and by platform I >> mean not only a specific version of the OS but also a >> specific version of the HTTP server. Change either one and >> WebDNA (probably) won't run any more. >> >> But consider this: >> >> If only *one* version of WebDNA were compiled as a CGI for >> each major platform, it would run on many different >> versions of its own OS, and be compatible with virtually >> all HTTP servers developed for the same OS. >> >> In other words, a single "CGI" version compiled to run under >> Linux (for example) should run under almost *any* >> combination of Linux HTTP servers and Linux OS >> flavors/versions that you can put together! >> >> :) >> >> There is also CGI vs. FastCGI to consider ... >> >> CGI is ubiquitous -- it is everywhere -- so for ultimate >> compatibility CGI is best. But CGI is slower than FastCGI >> and more and more HTTP servers are fully compatible with >> FastCGI today, so does FastCGI make more sense for WebDNA? >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> The bottom line is that every additional version of WebDNA >> costs more time and money to develop and support, so a >> small company like WSC might be wise to eliminate as many >> different versions as possible. CGI or FastCGI seems to be >> the most practical way to make this possible. >> >> Sincerely, >> Ken Grome >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Ken, >>> >>> What do you mean by a universal CGI version? Do you mean >>> one piece of software that runs on any computer platform? >>> >>> I have only seen the term "Universal CGI" used where a >>> script, typically Perl, can be installed on any platform. >>> >>> WebDNA is much different that a script. It is compiled >>> and runs as an application. To the best of my knowledge, >>> no one has ever made a single, compiled application that >>> runs, for example, on both Windows and Mac OSX. Unless >>> there is something I don't know about, I don't think >>> there is any such thing as a Universal application. >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list
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Interesting article I grabbed from slashdot.org http://weblog.infoworld.com/archives/emailPrint.jsp?R=printThis&A=/article/08/10/13/42TC-dynamic-futures_1.html On Oct 13, 2008, at 4:56 PM, Terry Wilson wrote: > I go along with the idea of a cgi version. Being able to put a > WebDNA site on any server would be a big coup. How many have had a > conversation that went something like this... > > potential client: So how much does does it cost? > you: Well, it depends on how much you want in your site, but at the > very least, the hosting will be about $200/year > pc: Oh. I'm not paying anything where I am now, so we can just use > my host. > you: Oh. Um, but my sites need to be hosted on a special server. > pc: Oh. Well, let me think about it. (code for "never mind.") > > or: > > pc: We just need this thing on the whatsit page; the rest of the > site we'll just keep the way it is. > you: Okay, but we'll need to move everything to my special server. > pc: Oh? I'll still be able to FTP in and dink around though, right? > you: [squirm] Well..., not exactly.... > pc: Oh. Well, let me think about it. (code for "never mind.") > > Terry > > >>> What do you mean by a universal CGI version? Do you mean >>> one piece of software that runs on any computer platform? >> >> No, what I mean is to compile a WebDNA version for each >> major OS ... >> >> Right now WSC has (I think) 4 different versions of WebDNA, >> each specific to only one platform -- and by platform I >> mean not only a specific version of the OS but also a >> specific version of the HTTP server. Change either one and >> WebDNA (probably) won't run any more. >> >> But consider this: >> >> If only *one* version of WebDNA were compiled as a CGI for >> each major platform, it would run on many different >> versions of its own OS, and be compatible with virtually >> all HTTP servers developed for the same OS. >> >> In other words, a single "CGI" version compiled to run under >> Linux (for example) should run under almost *any* >> combination of Linux HTTP servers and Linux OS >> flavors/versions that you can put together! >> >> :) >> >> There is also CGI vs. FastCGI to consider ... >> >> CGI is ubiquitous -- it is everywhere -- so for ultimate >> compatibility CGI is best. But CGI is slower than FastCGI >> and more and more HTTP servers are fully compatible with >> FastCGI today, so does FastCGI make more sense for WebDNA? >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> The bottom line is that every additional version of WebDNA >> costs more time and money to develop and support, so a >> small company like WSC might be wise to eliminate as many >> different versions as possible. CGI or FastCGI seems to be >> the most practical way to make this possible. >> >> Sincerely, >> Ken Grome >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Ken, >>> >>> What do you mean by a universal CGI version? Do you mean >>> one piece of software that runs on any computer platform? >>> >>> I have only seen the term "Universal CGI" used where a >>> script, typically Perl, can be installed on any platform. >>> >>> WebDNA is much different that a script. It is compiled >>> and runs as an application. To the best of my knowledge, >>> no one has ever made a single, compiled application that >>> runs, for example, on both Windows and Mac OSX. Unless >>> there is something I don't know about, I don't think >>> there is any such thing as a Universal application. >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ > > -- > Terry Wilson | terry@terryfic.com | http://terryfic.com > http://WhosComing.com - a simplified, affordable online reservation > system > http://TightJacket.com -- stylish protection for your laptop > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Attitude is the only difference between ordeal and adventure. > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ Robert Minor Director of Internet Services ------------------------------------------------------------ Cybermill Communications http://www.cybermill.com http://www.merchantmaker.com Providing Ecommerce and interactive website development and hosting services on Macintosh, Windows NT, *nix, and AS/400. Complete ddos proof hosting solutions and network services.
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